it takes a long eye relief scope, mines a ⦠Like the .50-70, the .45-70 used a copper center-fire case design. The 500 grain round nose bullet is heavy enough to provide the resistance ot the initial gas push to sit and expand to the rifling before moving in the barrel. I remembered hearing a line in an old movie from when I was a kid, with the master sergeant in some imaginary 'Battle of Filmdom Gulch' admonishing his men to ''shoot at their knees', or something like that. how does this sound to you? beautiful preservation! If you go to the posts and look for strings in my name, you will see my sojourn so far with the Trapdoors. Bore excellent. vintage.45-70 springfield trapdoor rifle*original* m1879 ramrod* for your viewing pleasure* vintage*original* m1879 springfield trapdoor rifle* correct ramrod* 45/70 caliber-indian wars era(1866-97) in excellent working condition! Some are so beat up they surely were in the Indian Wars. Another good source of factory ammunition for the Trapdoor is the "Cowboy" loads; they're loaded to mild pressure levels and have lead bullets that are easier on the aging steel of the venerable Springfield rifles. MP0282 Saddle Bar Ring 1873-1889 Springfield 45/70 Trapdoor Carbine, Spencer Rifle/Carbine, & 1859 - 63 Sharps, 1874 Sharps, & Our Price: $4.95 Compare i cajoled my dad every three hours to let me get a lyman tool for my 218 bee ... he finally caved in when he saw my crutched up loading methods ... Maybe instead of wads taking up that excess space, put a wad in on top of the powder and fill the rest of the space with a grease cookie. This is designed to put a bullet on a man sized target somewhere from point blank to about 350 yards. This rifle was in nice condition, with a bright and shiny bore; and cost $40. bullet, even if you load with the heavier slug, the rifle will shoot 18-24" high at 100 yds! It seems the older I get, the less time there is to do things. You are bidding on a excellent 1873 Trapdoor Springfield 1st model rifle or early carbine butt plate. That the single shot Trapdoor Springfield was a satisfactory weapon for both infantry and cavalry is evidenced by the fact that it was not until 1892 that it was replaced by a repeater in the form of the bolt action .30-40 Krag Jorgenson rifle. The result of the quest for a more accurate, flatter shooting .45 caliber cartridge and firearm was the Springfield Trapdoor rifle. Now our trapdoors are shooting at a far higher level of accuracy than ever before. The server has not detected any activity for the last 3 hours. Rivoli Rifle Club at New Windsor, Illinois had a early November Turkey Shoot with an offhand match for the Trapdoor at 200 yards on a swinging clay pigeon, many shooters used the above load. The resulting .4570 cartridge went on to fame in Winchester and Remington rifles, but in the trapdoor Springfield it was a miserable failure. beautiful preservation! I cast bullets and lubricated them by hand or pan lubed them, and developed a way to reload at the range. In any case, the slightly protruding primer never gave me a problem; however I caution the reader to NEVER use a case primed this way in any gun other than the one used to prime the case. Full-stocked, 32 inch barreled rifles, as well as half-stocked, short-barreled carbines, were produced. 45/70 Springfield Trapdoor Rifle - A ruggedly worn Original example of the Springfield Trapdoor rifle. The hammer on a trap door Springfield is just the right size for belling the case mouth; a necessary step in reloading low velocity loads. My problem is the trigger pull. Now our trapdoors are shooting at a far higher level of accuracy than ever before. However, I score better with this load if I watch the wind very closely. The Springfield Trapdoor rifles and carbines were a series of breech loading rifle and carbine weapons built from 1865 to about 1888, beginning with the Model 1865 and then with other models being introduced every few years. It was a redesign of the Army’s Allin Trapdoor rifle. The trapdoor,model 1884 is a lot stronger than an Allin conversion and a Number 5 roller should be tougher than a number 1 Sporter. Compressing the powder often improves the performance of a lot of black powder loadings. This will fit almost all Trapdoor Springfield rifles and carbines except cadet models and M1888 ramrod bayonet models but is correct for pieces made before about SN 78.000. Earlier sights (1873) did not have the windage. Velocity is 1,410 FPS from 18â³ barrels. Keep us posted on your progress because a few of us will be and are interested. Some are so beat up they surely were in the Indian Wars. Slight scratch on RHS butt stock. Thanks, Ed. I had a Sharps 1863 carbine converted to 50/70 by the military and it also shot about 14" high at 100 yards but shot dead on at 200 yds. For your security, your session will expire in 2 minutes ⦠It mounted the bayonet thrust through Crazy Horse and fired the bullet that killed Sitting Bull. A Fine Example of the Trapdoor Springfield Rod-Bayonet Infantry Rifle. Page 1 of 3 1 2 3 Next > chuck faison Member. It was a redesign of the Armyâs Allin Trapdoor rifle. The Springfield Trapdoor held the new, more powerful .45-70 military cartridge. Take the plugged case out, put the primed and charged case in the chamber and the rifle was ready to fire. yes i meant Swiss 2f black powder, some time my fingers and mind don't work together lol. The musket barrels were left as they were and utilised .58-calibre, copper-cased rimfire ammunition. the primer seated in the primer pocket. The Springfield stayed in service until 1893, when it was replaced by the KragâJørgensen bolt-action rifle. The stout cartridge propels a hefty 405 grain lead bullet at around 1400 fps. He said the government never liked to change things and the butt plate screws for GI rifles were the same ones that were made for the civil war muskets. 405 gn loads in the 14-1600 FPS range would be safe in a Trapdoor Springfield IF the rifle has been checked by a gunsmith and determined to be in condition to shoot standard 45-70 ammo. My favorite .45-70 black powder load for several rifles is: This is not the flattest shooting load for long range matches, it requires several more minutes elevation over a pointed bullet at 600 yards. It is loaded with the same 300 grain Hornady JHP used in our full strength 45/70. 1873 Springfield. It is safe in all firearms (in good condition) chambered for this caliber. The trapdoor mechanism continued with the adoption of the Springfield 1873 rifle, chambered in the new .45-70 cartridge. With the pitted bore near the muzzle, I would consider having the rifle counterbored 8 inches to sound rifling, with a perfect crown. Presuming you are shooting an origianl Trapdoor Springfield, although you are shooting a bullet that is lighter than the original 405 gr. It never hurts to bell the case mouth. Using BP is a great loading experience and is different in some ways than using smokeless powders. In the past I used a home-made dipper made from a pistol cartridge case with a piece of 14 gauge copper wire soldered on for a handle. The Model 1873 "Trapdoor" Springfield was the first standard-issue breech-loading rifle adopted by the United States Army (although the Springfield Model 1866 had seen limited issue to troops along the Bozeman Trail in 1867). According to my notes, my very pretty 1873 Trapdoor liked the following: Brass: Remington (or Starline or whatever you can find) 35gr IMR 3031 Oregon Trail Laser Cast 405gr (0.459" - my bore slugged 0.460 best I could tell). It equipped the troops also during the Spanish-American War (1898-1899). Mine shot just like Rich-Siegel's. I bought my first 45/70 rifle, a Springfield model 1884, from Ralph Laffoly at his gun shop in Melrose Mass. Springfield Krag Trapdoors Springfield Muskets M1 Garand 1892 - 1894 Krag 1896 Krag 1898 Krag 1899 - 1903 Krag Krag Accessories Model 1865 1st Allin Model 1866 .50-70 Model 1868-1870 .50-70 Model 1873-1890 .45-70 ... Trapdoor Accessories shooting trapdoor springfield. I made a new front sight from a penny so that I could file it to the correct height, and this rifle was alarmingly accurate at 100 yards with the fully adjustable Buffington rear sight. The function of the hollow base is to expand and seal the base against the rifling. With the pitted bore near the muzzle, I would consider having the rifle counterbored 8 inches to sound rifling, with a perfect crown. (Thanks to Steve Adair for the pictures showing a trapdoor Springfield.) The Springfield model 1884 was one of the "Trapdoor Springfield" rifles. Select a load starting around 10 grains and never more than 14 grains of Unique. Also comes with original front sight and rear peep sight. The Springfield Trapdoor Cartridge Rifle and Carbine was produced for the military in 1873. I don't visit this Forum real often but I do check back every now and then. The Model 1873 "Trapdoor" Springfield was the first standard-issue breech-loading rifle adopted by the United States Army (although the Springfield Model 1866 had seen limited issue to troops along the Bozeman Trail in 1867). It is equipped with the Buffington sight that is adjustable for windage and elevation. Most are in decent shooting condition and are still affordable, but 90 percent of the existing Trapdoors out there are .45-70s. This is designed to put a bullet on a man sized target somewhere from point blank to about 350 yards. The trapdoor Springfield outlived Custer. The Trapdoor Springfield outlived Custer. This had a … This because maybe, just maybe, the primer might go off prematurely in another gun. 6.7 LOADING THE SPRINGFIELD 45-70 THE EASY WAY Only ever Nitro powder. The inside is extra nice. During the following 20 years quite a big number of Springfield Trapdoor rifles have been manufactured, among them also many versions with smooth barrel for cadets, for the target shooting and destined to the Officers. So that's it, the easiest reloading I've ever done, with the absolute minimum of tools and expense. Trapdoor Gemmer Rifle .45-70 for sale online. The Officer’s Model is no ordinary Trapdoor and as the name suggests it was intended to be a private purchase by officers of the US Cavalry, as opposed to an issue firearm like the Cavalry Carbine and full length Infantry Rifle. The Model 1873 is the most popular with collectors. It's great to see you over here. If you searching to check on Shooting Springfield Trapdoor Rifle And What Makes Air Rifle Shoot Half Moon Pattern price. Remington still loads some .45-70 ammunition to safe levels for the Trapdoor; they're labeled as such. This is the process that always accompanies a paper patch bullet so why not try it with; I'm assuming now, your grease groove bullets. A ground-to-size ice pick, whacked with a stick, removed the primer That prevents accurate shooting as for as I am concerned. The Trapdoor was further modified in 1884 with a new (Buffington) rear sight that gave windage correction and the rifle soldiered on until replaced by the bolt-action 30/40 Krag-Jørgensen in 1892, which was the US’ first smokeless cartridge. It bore the bayonet thrust through Crazy Horse, and fired the bullet that killed Sitting Bull. The Springfield Trapdoor held the new, more powerful.45-70 military cartridge. I've read the following article before, and it's been referenced in several places. Buyer pays postage. this ramrod is straight and measures a full 35 1/2" with 97-99% original finish present. 1 Full-stocked, 32 inch barreled rifles, as ⦠my eyes are still good enough for target with the buffington sights but not to hunt with. I took my first bear with a trapdoor cadet. NEVER! Great to shoot, very accurate. They all shoot high from this position. This Trapdoor wears a Buffington rear sight with a ⦠Look for your answers in our Forum and in our bi-monthly publication the Fouling Shot. great stuff joeb ... now THAT is reloading in it's true spirit.. reminds me that when i was 12 yrs. The 1873 US Springfield Trapdoor chambered in.45/70 is a true American classic and perfectly capable of taking large sized game today. For your entertainment, here is a trapdoor I finished a couple weeks ago. The wad gets pushed into the hollow base and interferes with the expansion. I will also add, it's a topic not often covered in TFS. The Springfield rifle is a typical gun of the American soldiers, including General Custer. Have a question? Learn from CBA members that have been casting their entire life. A "traditional" load for the Trapdoor has been 22 grains of 2400 with a 400 grain cast bullet sized at least .460, most Trapdoor bores are oversize. I pan lube with SPG, that has worked best for me, each his or her own for lube and application. Others are so pristine they look like they were never issued. Thread Status: Not open for further replies. Metal has some pitting around the wood stock, wood is solid with dings and scratchs you would expect for a 130 year old firears, no cracks. The Springfield seems to like the harder cast as much as a soft lead boolit but doesn't like jacketed. I cover how I load compressed loads of 70 grains, and going down to 55 grains of BP. The Cast Bullet Association is an organization of shooters who enjoy shooting cast lead bullets in rifles and handguns for competition, hunting, or informal target shooting. I don't spend much time on the computer any more. The Association's central purpose is to help shooters enjoy casting bullets, You must enable JavaScript to be able to use this site in full, 6.7 LOADING THE SPRINGFIELD 45-70 THE EASY WAY.doc, Welcome to The Cast Bullet Association Forum, TC Contenders & Other Single Shot Handguns, 68 grains Swiss FFg - Compressed - Drop tube, .030 fiber over-powder wad, 030 milk carton wad soaked in lube, SAECO 1881 500 grain round-nose - 25/1 Pb/Sn alloy, SPG lubed; sized in a .460 only to get lubed. 0. Jim Only you will know. On this rifle the cleaning rod was the bayonet; the bayonet could be extended ahead of the muzzle and was held by a catch mechanism. This includes the Trapdoor Springfield. Stormin, depending on the model Trapdoor you have, adjusting your rear sight may be your fix. a 405 grain hallow base bullet and to compress the powder. Last worked on by Springfield in 1893. Chambered in the classic U.S. Government calibre of .45-70. Use the case in the gun that you seated the primer with. Breech block is marked U.S. Model of 1884, Buffington rear sight, inspector cartouche is dated 1888, P ⦠***** A Targetized Trapdoor by John Ryckman John has described how he has altered a .45-70 Springfield trapdoor rifle to optimize its shooting qualities. The Springfield stayed in service until 1893, when it was replaced by the Krag–Jørgensen bolt-action rifle. I have not try to measure it but it must be 10-12 pounds. People sometimes refer to the "Sandy Hook Tests" of 1879, where the army tested the Springfield .45-70 Trapdoor at two miles. Known as the Rod-Bayonet or Model 1888 Rifle. (Thanks to Steve Adair for the pictures showing a trapdoor Springfield.) Cpt - if you care to look up the birth date of your rifle, here's a link ... John Boy- The sight shown in your photo is the 1879 Buckhorn. This is usually done with 1, 2 or possibly more wads being pushed down on top of the powder column before seating the bullet. Adjustable Soul type rear sight and Lyman Tunnel front sight. If you would like more data from my shooting, send me a personal reply and I will go into depth. Shooting high at 100 is common; trapdoor battle sights were typically zeroed for 300 yards with the Frankfurt Arsenal cartridge. H & R 1873 Springfield Trapdoor Officers Model in very good condition. What you mean by "modern ammo" and "trapdoor springfield" in the same sentence I have NO CLUE. For additional photographs, descriptions and specifications see: The .45-70 Springfield-Book I or The .45-70 Springfield-Book II-1865-1893.. Return to Front Page View Sporting Rifles View Model 1884 Round Rod Bayonet Rifles Beautiful colour case hardening. He has included a number of ⦠The rifle is all original and saw little use. I was casting and reloading for the 30/06 at that time, and bought a Lyman 457191 305 grain mold to make bullets; but couldn't come up with the cash for the reloading dies, shell holder and sizing dies for a while. I have a couple Springfield 45-70's, and shoot exclusively black powder by choice. The bore and chamber look. Shooting high at 100 is common; trapdoor battle sights were typically zeroed for 300 yards with the Frankfurt Arsenal cartridge. Springfield 45/70 Springfield Trapdoor Cadet Rifle) Rifles for sale in Christchurch, United Kingdom The rifle will be my long range side action gun for SASS competition. I believe the 1879 sight is adjustable for windage once the slide is raised from the base position. A "traditional" load for the Trapdoor has been 22 grains of 2400 with a 400 grain cast bullet sized at least.460, most Trapdoor bores are oversize. I have a very nice Trapdoor with a mint bore. The CBA is a international organization of shooters who enjoy casting and shooting lead alloy bullets for competition, hunting, experimenting, and casual shooting. I just bought a Springfield Model 1884 Trapdoor rifle. Otherwise Excellent. However, time marches on. The sight on trapdoor Springfield rifles when in the down position is what is called the battle position. It battled the Ku Klux Klan throughout the South in the early 1870s and put down labor unrest in Chicago in 1877. 73 de KE4SKY In Home Mix We Trust From the Home of Ed's Red in "Almost Heaven" West Virginia. During the following 20 years quite a big number of Springfield Trapdoor rifles have been manufactured, among them also many versions with smooth barrel for cadets, for the target shooting and destined to the Officers. A Cinnamon black bear. It was an 1888 version in pristine shape. Discussion in 'Blackpowder' started by chuck faison, Aug 25, 2009. Buy Shoot 22 Magnum And Long Rifle And Shooting Springfield Trapdoor Rifle Shoot 22 Magnum And Long Rifle And Shooting Springfield Trapdoor Rifle Reviews : You A local gunsmith and former armorer took a look and removed the pin that held the front sight balde and replaced the blade with one from a Krag or Springfield (can't remember which) put the pin back in and all was well at 100. The Model 1884's have a really cool rear sight that allows for both windage and elevation adjustments, and adjusting it to play with the POI at different ranges is (for me) part of the fun of shooting a Trapdoor. Trapdoor Springfield rifle in 45-70. Mr. Laffoly threw in a box of ammunition after I paid, which was his way with the younger shooters. People sometimes refer to the "Sandy Hook Tests" of 1879, where the army tested the Springfield .45-70 Trapdoor at two miles. After the case mouth is belled, throw a charge of powder in the case. 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